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[Range instructor] Present. Safety off.

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[Kevin Dixie] There you go.

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[Range instructor] Fire. Safety back on.

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[Kevin Dixie] There you go.

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[Range instructor] Compress, ready, rest. All right,
we're gonna take our mags out of our pocket.

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[Kevin Dixie] There you go, there you go, there you go.

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[Range instructor] All right, we all have hot guns.
We're all live. Safety off.

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Just go crazy. Make sure you're
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give me three shots on go.
Three, two, one.

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[Kevin Dixie] Good. Nope, fix that grip. Good. Okay,

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now your slide's to the rear.
What does that mean for you?

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[A boy] I'm out of ammo.

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[Range instructor] All your shots have been—

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[A boy] Let me get three more.

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[Range instructor] Last one. Lock in.

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[Kevin Dixie] Go. Okay,

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you're up.

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[Josh Janssen] My name's Josh, and this is my best mate Tommy.
And for as long as we both can remember,

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we've loved America. As Australians,

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we love their food, their movies,
and their bigger-is-better attitude.

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[Tommy Jackett] Just said, yeah, America. Love it.

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[Josh Janssen] But one thing we've never
understood is their gun culture.

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[Man in a Pro God, Pro Life, Pro Gun shirt] When I get up in the morning, my rule is pants on,
guns on. So my gun goes everywhere

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I go.

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[Young man with a backpack] You say you're from Australia?

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[Tommy Jackett] Tommy.

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[Josh Janssen] Josh.

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[Young man with a backpack] Nice to meet you.

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[Josh Janssen] Most Australians, including myself,
don't understand or relate to America's obsession

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with guns.

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[Young man with a backpack] I mean, I've been carrying since I was,
like, thirteen, bro.

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[Tommy Jackett] Wow.

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[Josh Janssen] Can we make a documentary that shares a
unique perspective beyond what we see in the

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headlines?

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[Woman on a city street] Every single woman that
I know owns a firearm.

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[Man in a wheelchair] Yes, I've been shot before.
.357 hollow point.

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[Othal Brand] And I said, I'm really sad to say,
I'd probably give up my Bible before I give up my

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gun.

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[Shawn Wood] We call that the sound of freedom.

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[Woman at night] We heard gunshots.
Like, we live right here.

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[Man in a hoodie] In my mind, there's only two things that
guns are used for: hunting and killing.

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[Man in a car] Documentary about guns, right? Yeah.
My son said to use the guns wisely.

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"Okay, Dad."

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[Josh Janssen] What does that mean, exactly?

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[Tommy Jackett] What are you most excited about?

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[Josh Janssen] I think it's, like, doing this topic justice.
I think I don't know enough,

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and I feel like that's been a stress,
which is, like—

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[Tommy Jackett] Yeah.

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[Josh Janssen] I think that people would call out and say,
"Oh, you don't know what you're talking about.

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Why do you think that you're in a
position to make this documentary?"

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[Tommy Jackett] Yeah. I mean, who is best placed to make
a documentary on something like this?

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I think the fact that we're so
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I don't feel like I have a stance on guns,
because we don't have them in our lives like

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Americans do.

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[Josh Janssen] Yeah, it's crazy to think that in a couple
of weeks' time we'll be in the car,

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driving on the wrong side of the road,
upside down.

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[Tommy Jackett] Yeah, on the way to the airport right now.

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[Josh Janssen] It's got, like...
It's a big American car. That's all I know.

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I'll drive.

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[Tommy Jackett] Wrong side. I'm driving. Yeah,
dude, it's chaos here. Thank you.

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[Josh Janssen] Thank you.

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[Tommy Jackett] She's nervous about you driving.

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[Josh Janssen] Nervous?

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[Tommy Jackett] I'm nervous. Oh, this is a Cybertruck.

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[Josh Janssen] No, bro, he just stuck his finger up.

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[Tommy Jackett] Did he?

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[Josh Janssen] Come on, man.

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[Sammy Dorian] Welcome to Hollywood, everybody. My name is Sammy,
and we're heading to Beverly Hills.

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[Josh Janssen] We're starting the journey in Los Angeles,
home of the world's biggest movie stars and

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storytellers. Being outsiders
telling a story so foreign to us,

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I'm a little skeptical, but my mate Tommy is
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[Sammy Dorian] On Vine, you see stars going up and down.
This is the Walk of Fame.

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Gary Oldman, Laurence Fishburne.

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[Tommy Jackett] Whoa!

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[Josh Janssen] To get over the jet lag, we've booked a
Hollywood bus tour to find our bearings.

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[Sammy Dorian] Now, this is a very famous hiking
trail called Runyon Canyon.

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We saw a big number of famous people here.

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[Josh Janssen] Cool car!

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[Sammy Dorian] Those guys are not famous.
Don't look at them. It's a rental.

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[Tommy Jackett] Sammy, what do you love about America?

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[Sammy Dorian] There's something new every day.
That's the good thing about America.

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[Josh Janssen] Where do you think is the best place
we should go to experience guns?

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[Sammy Dorian] My son owns an arsenal.
You don't want to see that.

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[Tommy Jackett] Oh, really?

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[Sammy Dorian] Really, yeah. He has M4s, he has an AK-47,
as if he's going to war or something.

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There you go, another guy racing.

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[Tommy Jackett] And so do you think your son
feels safer having the arsenal,

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or—

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[Sammy Dorian] He feels safer, yes. Depending on the
area where he lives, everyone is armed.

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Everyone has a gun, for example,
right? They don't walk around with guns,

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but they have them.

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[Josh Janssen] What do you think about
the Second Amendment?

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[Sammy Dorian] This is when people thought that they can
carry guns and to protect themselves and their

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properties, but it's actually
to protect the country, right?

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You can be civilians employed by
the government to do a job for them.

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I may go in detail.

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[Sammy Dorian] I served with the US military in Iraq.
I'm a civilian. They pulled me out of Hollywood

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and they put me in a war zone. '06, '07.

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[Josh Janssen] And so that was when
you were a contractor?

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[Sammy Dorian] Exactly.

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[Tommy Jackett] Did it change you at all, that experience?

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[Sammy Dorian] Very much. Yes, PTSD.
It almost got me for a few months,

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but then I got out of it.
A lot of my friends killed themselves.

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My captain shot himself in New York.
Scarface filming

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location on the right.

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[Josh Janssen] Sammy, when you were going through that PTSD,
did you have a gun at your house?

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[Sammy Dorian] Yes, I did. But I never used it.
But a lot of people did.

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[Josh Janssen] We weren't expecting to have such
a personal conversation with Sammy.

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By talking about suicide and the
negative side of firearms so quickly,

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were we entering the conversation
at a depth we weren't prepared for?

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[Adam Winkler] Americans are very divided on the
issue of guns. For many people,

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guns are just something that wreak havoc on our societies,
that result in death and destruction.

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I think for other Americans,
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They feel insecure in their homes.
They feel like they could be victims,

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and they don't want to be victims.
If they have a gun, they know that they are strong

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individuals who can stand up to anyone.

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[Woman on the beach] What is the gist of this documentary?
Is it pro-gun? Is it anti-gun?

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[Tommy Jackett] In Australia, we have very strict gun laws.
There's not even the thought in their mind

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of guns in Australia.

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[Woman on the beach] Yeah.

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[Tommy Jackett] We don't have to consider it day to day.
Do you think you can be in the middle on guns

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as an American?

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[Woman on the beach] No. No, I really don't.

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[Man in a Pro God, Pro Life, Pro Gun shirt] The right to bear arms is absolutely
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There's a lot of good people out there.
There's a lot of people that are kind of nuts.

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But the thing of it is,
when they talk about taking away guns,

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whatever, the people that they're talking about
taking the guns away are the honest people.

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It's totally against the Constitution
of the United States, and they know it.

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They know it.

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[Josh Janssen] Have you ever shot a gun?

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[Young woman on the beach] No, I'm very anti-gun.
It's just not my thing.

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[Adam Winkler] Is your goal here to take guns away from people?
Is your goal here to teach people,

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or is your goal here to hear people?
If your goal is to hear people,

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it's not for you to push them to think differently,
but rather try to get to the heart

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of the depths of their own views,
rather than being challenged to think differently about

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their perspective.

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[Tommy Jackett] I feel like, from where we're from,
we're not thinking about guns,

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so I feel like I'm neutral at this moment.
You think by the end of it we're gonna be

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still feeling like that?

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[Josh Janssen] I mean, that's the journey we're going to be on.
I'm really interested in getting every

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part of this conversation,
so we can walk away and say we've made an honest film.

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[Josh Janssen] We want to talk to all different
types of people from across the US,

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but before we hit the road and start filming,
we want to have a base level of firearm

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safety knowledge. So we signed up for training
with renowned Hollywood armorer Dutch

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Merrick.

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[Dutch Merrick] Good morning.

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[Tommy Jackett] Morning.

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[Dutch Merrick] You must be Tommy or Josh?

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[Josh Janssen] Josh.

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[Dutch Merrick] Josh, very nice to meet you. I'm Dutch.

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[Tommy Jackett] Dutch, nice to meet you, mate.

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[Dutch Merrick] Such a pleasure. Thanks for making
it all the way out to Los Angeles.

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Are you ready to learn?

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[Josh Janssen] Yeah.

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[Dutch Merrick] I love it. So the goals of this course are to
learn the best practices for motion picture

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firearms use, provide you hands-on
experience, first person,

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to build your confidence around firearms
on set and off. So that you'll be a good,

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confident shooter, and you're accurate,
and it makes it fun and safe,

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and you'll be like, "Oh, I really like guns.
This was a lot of entertainment." So here's

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a chance to get to know you in thirty seconds.
If you wouldn't mind standing right here,

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Josh.

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[Josh Janssen] The last time I did this, I had a panic attack.
I had to do it at a first aid course.

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[Tommy Jackett] Josh, you can do this.
I have faith in you.

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[Dutch Merrick] Just stand right here. All you got to do is
just tell us a little bit about your background

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with firearms.

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[Josh Janssen] Experience with guns?
No experience with guns. I'm from Australia.

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And I'm looking to come away with an
understanding from a safety perspective,

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but also having some fun,
too. Yeah. So safety and fun.

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[Tommy Jackett] You did great, right there.

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[Josh Janssen] Thank you.

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[Tommy Jackett] I'm Tommy. My gun experience is
that I watch a lot of movies,

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so I know what I see, but I don't know physically,
because I don't have access to them

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like that.

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[Dutch Merrick] So you've been entertained by them,
but you have no sense of how to really use them safely.

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[Tommy Jackett] The problem is, I think, Dutch,
that I can, because I watch the movies.

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[Dutch Merrick] That's one of the problems of our industry.
All right, well,

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we're going to break you of that,
and we're going to give you genuine skills.

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Now we get to delve into my world:
studio armorers.

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[Dutch Merrick] So this is what prop masters and armorers do
behind the scenes that the real world never

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gets to see. We're going to deal with blanks,
dummies, blank-adapted guns,

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blocking scenes, actors blowing up,
and then we'll actually have a chance for you guys

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to be in a scene doing gunfire, getting hit,
explosions. It's going to be really exciting.

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You with me?

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[Tommy Jackett] Hang on, who's getting hit, Dutch?

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[Dutch Merrick] We're going to toss for it.

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[Josh Janssen] We'll see.

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[Dutch Merrick] That creates pressure, setting the hammer,
and it's dropping the hammer.

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Take your thumb and touch your middle finger.
Remember what Dutch said:

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marry your thumb.

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[Josh Janssen] Really?

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[Tommy Jackett] But don't you shoot with—

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[Dutch Merrick] You focus on you. Pull the trigger
and nothing happens, it's a misfire.

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This guy is going to have a hang fire.

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[Tommy Jackett] Oh, geez.

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[Dutch Merrick] There's his hat. Is that crazy?
What do you call this?

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[Josh Janssen] A bullet.

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[Dutch Merrick] The case, the bullet, the primer,
the powder, is a cartridge.

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There's a thing called snap caps.
Isosceles triangle, so it's a soft landing pad.

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[Josh Janssen] Why are my thumbs so different?

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[Dutch Merrick] About three-quarters of an
inch shorter than yours.

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[Josh Janssen] You're doing great, mate.

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[Dutch Merrick] That, gentlemen, is your dominant eye.
You're steady as a fucking rock.

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Do not rely on safeties at any time.
Remind me what they are,

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Tommy.

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[Tommy Jackett] Primer, cap, powder, charge. Case, bullet.

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[Dutch Merrick] You're learning already. Take aim.
On the exhale, press the trigger.

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So you're not going to know
when it's going to come up.

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[Josh Janssen] So this is Russian roulette?

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[Dutch Merrick] In a way, but it's not,
because that's about killing yourself.

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[Josh Janssen] Even though we're shooting blanks,
it feels like the real thing.

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In the back of my mind, there's a comfort
of being in the safe hands of Dutch.

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It's beginning to sink in that on the road,
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and the risk will be real.

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[Dutch Merrick] Nailed it. Now that you guys know
how to shoot, you fired the guns,

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we're gonna go do an action scene.
You guys excited?

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[Josh Janssen] Yeah, great.

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[Dutch Merrick] Nice. All right, take your pistols.

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[Tommy Jackett] Awesome.

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[Dutch Merrick] Gear up outside.

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[Josh Janssen] Awesome.

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[Dutch Merrick] First and foremost,
thank you guys very much for being here today.

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You want to get some shit done,
pick up the phone and call Hollywood,

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right? You're gonna fall back against the container.
Go ahead and grab it and point it

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in that direction. Camera's rolling and set.
Camera set, and action!

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[Dutch Merrick] Three, two, one. Cut!

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[Crew] Cut! Yeah!

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[Dutch Merrick] Check our actors.
Everybody all right? Take the gun.

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[Josh Janssen] Tommy, you good?

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[Josh Janssen] Performing with Dutch was a lot of fun.
It felt familiar to what we see in the movies,

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but at the same time detached from the
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[Actor in the scene] Yeah, I got all that Aussie blood on me,
mate. That was a fair dinkum effort you did

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there.

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[Dutch Merrick] Well, I'm so glad you guys came all
the way out here from Australia.

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I want to give you guys something
to remember the occasion. Yeah,

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we got Prop Gun Set Safety hats for you.

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[Josh Janssen] Yes, thank you so much.

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[Dutch Merrick] And when you talk to the regular
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you tell them you went to Hollywood,
because "reel", R-E-E-L,

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"reel men shoot blanks."

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[Dutch Merrick] He actually does shoot blanks.

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[Tommy Jackett] I had a vasectomy.

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[Dutch Merrick] Oh, yeah, we'll get you the T-shirt.

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[Josh Janssen] We'll get you the T-shirt.

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[Dutch Merrick] That's perfect.

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[Josh Janssen] Thanks, guys.

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[Josh Janssen] I reckon this completely removes any jet lag left.
Did you get Diet Coke as well?

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[Tommy Jackett] Yeah. Is this what you wanted?
Like, this size?

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[Josh Janssen] Uh-huh. Oh, that's good.

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[Tommy Jackett] We're going to see so much of America.
What are you looking forward to?

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[Josh Janssen] I reckon I'm looking forward to having a
reason to have conversations that normally I

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would just feel like I was being nosy.
So because we have the cameras,

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I feel like maybe I don't
feel so intrusive. Yeah.

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[Young man at In-N-Out] Oh, really? Yeah.

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[Tommy Jackett] Dude, you can come over.

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[Young man at In-N-Out] Dude, are you guys, like, famous?

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[Josh Janssen] Come, come over. Do you want to be famous?

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[Young man at In-N-Out] All right, it's gotta be quick, though.

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[Josh Janssen] We gotta talk. Talking about guns.

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[Young man at In-N-Out] Guns? Like this type right here?

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[Tommy Jackett] Yeah, nah, a bit more lethal than that.

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[Young man at In-N-Out] Oh, damn. Wait, where are you guys from?

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[Josh Janssen] Australia.

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[Young man at In-N-Out] Australia?

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[Tommy Jackett] Yeah.

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[Young man at In-N-Out] You guys don't have guns over there?

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[Josh Janssen] Uh, not really.

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[Tommy Jackett] Yeah, it's a different—
it's a different world over here.

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[Josh Janssen] Tomorrow is the seventh anniversary of the Las
Vegas country music festival mass shooting.

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Autumn, a mum, wife and history
teacher who attended the festival,

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agreed to meet us before we head
to Las Vegas for the memorial.

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[Josh Janssen] Hi! How you going?

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[Autumn Bignami] I'm good.

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[Josh Janssen] I'm Josh.

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[Autumn Bignami] Hi.

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[Josh Janssen] Lovely to meet you.

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[Autumn Bignami] Nice to meet you. So my husband
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We were at the Route 91 concert.
It was our second year. We had gone the year before.

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Last performer, everyone's still hanging out,
having fun, and then the shooting started.

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[Autumn Bignami] We didn't know at first that that's what was going on.
We heard the noises and thought

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maybe someone had fireworks.
There was this, like, pop, pop,

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pop sound, and I was actually hit.
So I was shot in the face.

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So I fell to the ground.
The noise happened again, and I got shot again,

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for a second time, in the back.
This one was just off my spine,

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and it came out the side.
So it lacerated my liver, collapsed my lung,

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and I had this thought of, like,
I'm never gonna see my babies again.

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Like, that was sort of what was going on in my head.
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I was shot again in the hand,
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and they bandaged me all up.
So I think that definitely helped.

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Saved my life that night.

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[Autumn Bignami] I woke up five days later. Now

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my brain has this thing. I'm sitting somewhere,
like, it happened once at my daughter's

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school. I will picture what a
shooting looks like right then,

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with everything that's around me.

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[Autumn Bignami] It was Halloween time.
They were doing the Halloween parade.

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And in my brain, I saw what a shooting would
look like with the kids running in the Halloween

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costumes. And it was so intense
that it levelled me. Like,

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I ran from where I was. I found a mom that I barely knew,
and I collapsed into her arms,

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because I couldn't deal with
the image that was going on. And

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that's the kind of thing that—
the type of trauma that I went through does to your brain.

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[Radio host] And today, of course, we remember seven years ago,
the seventh remembrance of October

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1st. And this morning, there will be a
sunrise remembrance ceremony at 7:30 at

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the Clark County Government Center.

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[Sheriff Kevin McMahill] Good morning. My name is Sheriff Kevin McMahill,
and every year I'm humbled by the community

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outpouring of support on One October.
It's been seven years since the Route 91 Harvest

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Music Festival, but it feels like yesterday
to those of us who lost loved ones,

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those that survived,
and those that responded that night in 2017.

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I can tell you why so many first
responders are haunted by One October.

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It's because we could not help everyone that night.
Fifty-eight people died.

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So many people were injured,
physically and emotionally, and that's extremely painful

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for us to live with. This sunrise ceremony
has become a source of comfort for all of

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us, but I especially want to acknowledge those
of you who will never see your loved ones

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again. We grieve with you this morning,
as we have every single day for the last seven

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years.

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[Prayer leader] Lord, we thank you for the family
and friends that are here today,

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representing loved ones that have been lost.
Give us your peace,

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the peace that passes all understanding,
and we ask this in your name.

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[The crowd] Amen.

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[Corey Ernest] How has your journey
with this been so far?

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[Josh Janssen] Yeah, well, we were going to do a
machine gun experience yesterday.

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[Corey Ernest] Uh-huh.

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[Josh Janssen] But then we found out that it was
the anniversary of the Route 91.

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[Tommy Jackett] Yeah, yeah.

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[Josh Janssen] And so it didn't feel right.

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[Corey Ernest] I understand. I understand.

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[Tommy Jackett] What was Las Vegas like at that time,
when it happened?

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[Corey Ernest] My father worked as a security guard in UMC,
which is an emergency center here in Las

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Vegas. So, like, the only trauma
center that's closest to the Strip.

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So he called me in a panic and was like,
"What are you doing?" I was like,

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"I'm sleeping, man. What's going on?" And then I go—
I actually started looking at my

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phone and I see the news feed, and I'm like,
"What the hell is going on?" I don't know.

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It's just a lot,
and it's just a lot to take in, because it's,

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like, something that happened so close,
you know? You know what they say?

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Guns don't kill people.
People kill people.

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[Tommy Jackett] So what do you think of that statement?

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[Corey Ernest] I feel like it's true, honestly,
in my opinion. I mean, guns,

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weapons have always been there from the
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are using these weapons is
what it really comes down to.

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[Josh Janssen] All right, awesome.

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[Josh Janssen] The argument that it's people,
not guns, that kill sort of makes sense.

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But should every person have the right
to own a firearm? Michael Sodini,

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a Nevada local,
grew up in the firearm business.

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[Mike Sodini] I'm gonna take you out to the desert.
We're gonna go a little south down the 15.

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[Josh Janssen] Geez, they drive quick.

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[Josh Janssen] He heard about our documentary and invited
us to shoot in the desert with him.

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[Tommy Jackett] How you feeling?

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[Josh Janssen] Good.

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[Tommy Jackett] It's kind of, like, exciting.

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[Josh Janssen] Yes.

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[Tommy Jackett] Also a little bit scary. Unknown.

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[Josh Janssen] It'll be the first time Tommy
and I fire live ammunition.

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[Mike Sodini] I feel bad, because they're super nervous.

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[Josh Janssen] Michael founded a not-for-profit called Walk the Talk,
specifically designed to address

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mental health and gun ownership.

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[Mike Sodini] The AR-15 is just a
plain Jane American M4.

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People think this is a silencer.
This is a suppressor. Because of Hollywood,

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a lot of people think suppressors are used for assassins,
but most people use suppressors

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so their hearing doesn't go.
For the many reasons people shoot:

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sport shooting, therapy, right,
things like that. Over time,

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your hearing gets bad just because it's so loud.
You know, I understand that Hollywood,

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the stories that are told,
the John Wicks, they all use firearms,

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right?

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[Josh Janssen] Jesus Christ.
I guess that's going to happen a lot.

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[Tommy Jackett] Yeah.

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[Josh Janssen] We're going to stop jumping at some point.

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[Tommy Jackett] In my mind, I think I'm not going to flinch.
And then I just can't help it.

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It's, like, a—
it is a natural response, right?

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[Mike Sodini] Oh, great, the switch is in the back.

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[Josh Janssen] Oh, wow, it's got a microphone.
Hello, testing, one, two, one,

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two. Hello.
And you turn that off when we shoot?

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[Mike Sodini] No, you keep it on. Yeah, and that's it.

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[Josh Janssen] Oh, I love that. It sounds like we're—

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[Tommy Jackett] You're talking—

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[Josh Janssen] Stepping on Doritos. He's yelling.

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[Tommy Jackett] 'Cause they're not loaded.
Nothing's loaded yet.

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[Mike Sodini] Nothing is loaded right now,
but the gun can't hurt you unless you do something silly

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with it.

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[Tommy Jackett] The basics are good when you've
never shot a gun like this before.

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[Mike Sodini] Okay, so get in your stance.

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[Josh Janssen] Um, yep.

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[Mike Sodini] Get comfortable. Breathe. Smooth.
Slowly pull the trigger. Aim.

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Did you rack it?

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[Josh Janssen] Yes. Okay, what's "rack it"?

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[Mike Sodini] One in the chamber. Okay,

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cool. You fired your first shot.

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[Mike Sodini] You're done.

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[Josh Janssen] Can we go check?

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[Mike Sodini] You want to check?

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[Josh Janssen] Yeah.

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[Tommy Jackett] Okay.

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[Josh Janssen] I mean, here we go.

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[Tommy Jackett] That is so satisfying.

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[Mike Sodini] Can't do better than that on your
second shot ever. How do you guys feel?

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[Tommy Jackett] It's a bit addictive.
I want to keep going.

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[Josh Janssen] I feel a lot more in
control when I've got it.

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[Mike Sodini] Why don't we just now kind of
move up to some bigger calibers,

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so you can feel the difference,
and see how comfortable you guys are now that you got

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your first shots out of the way.

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[Tommy Jackett] I'm gonna frame that.

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[Mike Sodini] I'll tell you what, we're gonna start off with this.
The gun companies now are starting

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to provide the WTTA free and
anonymous mental health screenings.

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If you're ever feeling out of sorts,
or even if you don't feel out of sorts,

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you can take a mental health
screening to see where you are.

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[Tommy Jackett] Whoa!

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[Josh Janssen] Geez!

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[Mike Sodini] These companies are starting to
change the way things are done.

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You would never saw that six years ago.

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[Josh Janssen] And so the mental health stuff,
Mike, how did you get into that?

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[Mike Sodini] My family owned one of the largest
gun importers in the United States.

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I really didn't understand, like,
the importance of the Second Amendment.

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I didn't understand some of the nuance
of firearms culture. In my mind,

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I was always like, they do not do a good
job of relating to the non-gun person.

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2009, the president of my company took
his own life with one of our firearms.

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He, uh, he went through crisis,
went to our warehouse, took—

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got one of the firearms, went back to his house,
and felt that that was his only way

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to get out. How do you work with the mental
health community on the things you can agree

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upon, to get people help?
And that was the lightbulb moment.

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You know, now here we are six years later,
and we're completely changing our culture.

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You know, now gun owners are coming
forward talking about mental health,

420
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,540
you know, because we're bringing two
worlds that notoriously blamed each other,

421
00:25:38,590 --> 00:25:41,330
stood on opposite sides,
you know what I mean? Now we're coming together.

422
00:25:41,390 --> 00:25:44,770
Okay, what can we do? You know,
how do we save lives? How do we get people help?

423
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,910
You know, to me, that's what it's all about.
Yeah, getting people help.

424
00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:51,230
[Josh Janssen] Thanks for sharing.

425
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,400
[Mike Sodini] Yeah. All right, let's have some more fun.

426
00:25:56,910 --> 00:26:01,920
[Range instructor] This is an AK-47, chambered in 7.62x39.
It's a semi-automatic rifle.

427
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,210
You're only going to fire one round
for every time you pull the trigger.

428
00:26:08,420 --> 00:26:11,350
[Tommy Jackett] Oh my God, my ears are ringing.

429
00:26:16,140 --> 00:26:18,000
[Mike Sodini] All right, so what else are we shooting?
What are they shooting now?

430
00:26:18,410 --> 00:26:21,390
[Tommy Jackett] Shoot a couple more big guns,
and then the John Wick shotgun.

431
00:26:21,470 --> 00:26:22,640
[Josh Janssen] Yeah, great, you can do that.

432
00:26:23,030 --> 00:26:26,580
[Tommy Jackett] John Wick is one of my favorite movies.
All four of them.

433
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:34,480
[Josh Janssen] Whoa!

434
00:26:34,530 --> 00:26:43,980
[Range instructor] One more. Remember,

435
00:26:44,050 --> 00:26:46,710
you haven't cycled it yet, so— Okay.

436
00:26:46,970 --> 00:26:48,710
[Josh Janssen] What does the Second
Amendment mean to you?

437
00:26:49,550 --> 00:26:53,770
[Mike Sodini] The Second Amendment means everything to me.
You know, it represents freedom.

438
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,280
I think the Second Amendment holds up the
First Amendment, and all the amendments make

439
00:26:57,330 --> 00:27:02,240
this great country. Regardless,
if you waved a magic wand and you got rid of every gun

440
00:27:02,290 --> 00:27:06,200
in the United States, we still have issues.
We still have violence issues,

441
00:27:06,780 --> 00:27:10,470
and we're not getting to the root cause of violence,
and that's what we got to do.

442
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,100
I think people need to always keep in
mind that you may be the biggest threat,

443
00:27:14,150 --> 00:27:20,520
and that's why responsible gun ownership is so important.
You could take ten people that

444
00:27:20,570 --> 00:27:22,560
have schizophrenia, you could take
ten people that have bipolar disorder,

445
00:27:23,050 --> 00:27:26,770
you can hand them a firearm and say,
"This is yours," and they will go their whole life

446
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:32,100
without hurting anybody, like, not a fly.
I could come home and catch my wife in bed

447
00:27:32,770 --> 00:27:36,500
with my best friend and snap,
right? That's not a mental illness.

448
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:41,070
That's an emotional reaction.
So we got to get rid of the stigma of mental health,

449
00:27:41,250 --> 00:27:44,680
and we got to get rid of the stigma of
gun ownership, that all gun owners,

450
00:27:45,020 --> 00:27:48,670
you know, they can't go through
mental health issues. We can.

451
00:27:48,730 --> 00:27:51,490
We're humans.

452
00:27:51,780 --> 00:27:55,790
[Josh Janssen] As a firearms importer,
Michael has a lot to gain from people buying guns.

453
00:27:57,270 --> 00:28:02,080
And as a filmmaker, I was skeptical that
tackling mental health was simply a commercially

454
00:28:02,130 --> 00:28:08,060
driven endeavor. But as we spent more time with him,
we felt a sincerity to his work.

455
00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:14,350
He is leaning into uncomfortable conversations,
and wanting to see less harm caused from

456
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:19,430
the guns his family sells.
We left our time with Michael conflicted.

457
00:28:19,860 --> 00:28:24,760
On the one hand, we had a lot of fun,
but there was no doubting that in the wrong hands,

458
00:28:25,020 --> 00:28:27,960
with the wrong intentions,
real harm can be done.

459
00:28:30,190 --> 00:28:34,890
[Katherine Schweit] The gun culture that we have has changed over time.
When I started in the FBI,

460
00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:37,510
I was working counterintelligence
and national security matters,

461
00:28:37,620 --> 00:28:41,010
but when the Sandy Hook Elementary
School shooting happened,

462
00:28:41,420 --> 00:28:46,190
then I was tagged to create what became
the FBI's Active Shooter Program.

463
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:52,260
My role was to create a team of people to
train the 800,000 law enforcement to say,

464
00:28:52,330 --> 00:28:55,910
"What do you do when a shooting occurs?",
to reduce the number of deaths if a shooting

465
00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:00,720
is underway. I think it's important to
always step back and look at the facts.

466
00:29:00,770 --> 00:29:05,240
Sixty percent of the firearms deaths
in the United States are suicides.

467
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:14,780
It changes your perspective about the
risk of having a firearm in your house.

468
00:29:15,930 --> 00:29:21,280
[Josh Janssen] To understand why people buy guns,
we decided to visit a gun shop on the border of Utah

469
00:29:21,380 --> 00:29:26,670
and Nevada. When we walked in,
we didn't expect to see Gina at the counter.

470
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:40,750
[Gina McComb] Right, I shot the .380 and I shot the 9.
I found recoil. Yeah,

471
00:29:41,140 --> 00:29:42,140
my hands prove it.

472
00:29:42,300 --> 00:29:46,230
[Gun shop clerk] So we can help you find, like, a good middle ground.
Yeah, so that way you can get something

473
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,550
that not only works,
but that you like shooting it, that's comfortable,

474
00:29:49,970 --> 00:29:51,170
and most importantly, reliable.

475
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:53,970
[Josh Janssen] When did you fire your first gun?

476
00:29:55,030 --> 00:29:56,030
[Gina McComb] It was Monday.

477
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,550
[Josh Janssen] It was striking to see someone decide
to buy their first gun later in life.

478
00:30:02,110 --> 00:30:03,740
We were curious: why now?

479
00:30:04,670 --> 00:30:11,690
[Gina McComb] The trigger point is the crime rate in
the United States. It's getting out

480
00:30:11,740 --> 00:30:17,230
of hand. We all know why. I don't want to say it on camera,
because people will get insulted,

481
00:30:17,420 --> 00:30:24,790
but, yeah, it's self-defense.
Because even in a small town like here,

482
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:25,840
it's gonna—

483
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,090
[Tommy Jackett] How about you, Ray?
Have you ever had to pull your gun, or—

484
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:35,980
[Ray Erickson] In Vegas, of all places.

485
00:30:37,690 --> 00:30:38,820
[Tommy Jackett] Would you mind sharing what happened?

486
00:30:40,010 --> 00:30:43,930
[Ray Erickson] Well, me and my wife went up to take a
picture at the Las— Welcome to Las Vegas sign,

487
00:30:45,150 --> 00:30:51,660
and some big guy got all upset for whatever
reason and started attacking my wife,

488
00:30:51,730 --> 00:30:55,510
and I walked up to him. And he started to
swing at me, so I pulled out my pistol.

489
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,950
I said, "Another move,
you're dead." And he started yelling and screaming,

490
00:31:00,050 --> 00:31:03,840
"Gun, gun, gun!" And everyone
started clapping. He backed off.

491
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:10,940
Put my gun away, and he got in his car and he left.
So. But there are others like that.

492
00:31:12,430 --> 00:31:16,410
Haven't had to shoot anybody with it
yet as a civilian, which is good.

493
00:31:16,620 --> 00:31:20,860
I'm trying to keep it that way.
But I'm not going to be a victim,

494
00:31:21,180 --> 00:31:25,320
or my wife, or my grandkids.
So everywhere I go, I carry.

495
00:31:26,390 --> 00:31:30,290
[Josh Janssen] There was something endearing about Ray,
even the way he told his story.

496
00:31:31,030 --> 00:31:34,780
But there was no doubt that what he
was saying was actually frightening.

497
00:31:35,460 --> 00:31:36,460
[Ray Erickson] Do you like caps?

498
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:37,490
[Tommy Jackett] All caps?

499
00:31:37,540 --> 00:31:38,040
[Josh Janssen] No.

500
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:38,960
[Ray Erickson] Okay.

501
00:31:39,850 --> 00:31:43,510
[Shawn Wood] We do get a lot of first-time gun buyers here,
too, that want to purchase their first

502
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,960
firearm and get trained with it,
and that's our biggest focus right now.

503
00:31:47,630 --> 00:31:49,750
I don't want to just sell you a firearm.
I want to train you with it.

504
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:55,520
You know, that's our biggest goal here.
Your turn. If anyone has any questions about

505
00:31:55,570 --> 00:31:57,860
his approval, all they have to do
is look up that number right there,

506
00:31:57,910 --> 00:31:59,550
and it'll tell you all
the information about it.

507
00:32:00,170 --> 00:32:01,170
[Tommy Jackett] So Ray passed?

508
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:02,620
[Shawn Wood] He passed. Good job.

509
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:03,800
[Tommy Jackett] Well done, Ray.

510
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,250
[Ray Erickson] All right. Thank you.

511
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:08,060
[Tommy Jackett] Hey, Ray, can I touch your gun?

512
00:32:08,580 --> 00:32:11,140
[Shawn Wood] Just check it. Make sure it's not loaded.
Pull the— there you go.

513
00:32:11,690 --> 00:32:14,260
The release is right there,
of course. Push that straight down.

514
00:32:15,510 --> 00:32:16,350
There you go.

515
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:21,360
[Ray Erickson] Oh, what I do is, I pulled it out,
because I carried it back here.

516
00:32:21,970 --> 00:32:25,360
I stepped back and told him, "Back off."

517
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,220
[News audio] Imagine this: you're at a bar and you're
having a good time with your pals,

518
00:32:32,270 --> 00:32:36,350
and then all of a sudden two people come in and,
uh, well, it's an armed robbery.

519
00:32:36,620 --> 00:32:42,180
So luckily, one patron had a gun himself.
One offender was shot multiple times.

520
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,620
[Josh Janssen] Many people talk about the importance of owning
a firearm for their own personal safety.

521
00:32:48,540 --> 00:32:53,850
So we're on our way to Tennessee to meet with Mychael,
someone who has become a poster

522
00:32:53,900 --> 00:32:57,990
boy for the Second Amendment after
killing three people in self-defense.

523
00:32:59,020 --> 00:33:05,350
[Tommy Jackett] His Instagram bio reads, "Son of the Most High,
husband and father of four." And he says,

524
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:12,700
"Self-defense shooting survivor times three."
How do you get in three self-defense situations?

525
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:14,120
[Josh Janssen] I wonder if there's any regret.

526
00:33:15,180 --> 00:33:17,300
[Josh Janssen] Once you shoot someone,
there's no going back.

527
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:27,280
[Josh Janssen] Mychael was gracious enough to agree to meet us.
We suggested we could go clay shooting

528
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:28,790
to hear more about his story.

529
00:33:29,740 --> 00:33:30,240
[Josh Janssen] Okay.

530
00:33:30,060 --> 00:33:31,060
[Joe Calabrace] Okay. Who's first?

531
00:33:31,260 --> 00:33:33,090
[Josh Janssen] I reckon Mychael can go first.
You can do the honors.

532
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,500
[Joe Calabrace] Now, once— when that comes out,
I just want you to follow it right to get in front of

533
00:33:37,550 --> 00:33:40,100
it, pull the trigger. Okay? On your call.

534
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:43,880
[Mychael Waller] Pull.

535
00:33:48,460 --> 00:33:49,840
[Tommy Jackett] He's good.

536
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:52,750
[Joe Calabrace] All right, we'll try B. Okay.

537
00:33:53,550 --> 00:33:54,550
[Mychael Waller] Pull.

538
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,330
[Tommy Jackett] Damn, you're good.

539
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:57,400
[Joe Calabrace] That's a nice move.

540
00:34:00,420 --> 00:34:02,250
[Mychael Waller] Pull.

541
00:34:03,820 --> 00:34:04,820
[Tommy Jackett] Sharpshooter.

542
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:07,680
[Joe Calabrace] You're really good at this,
but the thing you need to do is relax,

543
00:34:08,010 --> 00:34:10,470
okay? Because, you know,
especially with guys that, you know,

544
00:34:10,530 --> 00:34:17,050
hit the gym a lot, you're like, "Okay,
let me—" and you're so tight that you can't move

545
00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:19,290
fluidly. Everything's a jerk, okay?

546
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:23,270
[Mychael Waller] So I'm used to, like, just training for,
like, defensive shooting,

547
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:28,290
so this is— I do clay shoot,
but it's a little bit different,

548
00:34:28,340 --> 00:34:28,850
like you say.

549
00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:29,470
[Joe Calabrace] Oh, a lot different.

550
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:30,870
[Mychael Waller] It's different.
Oh my gosh, it definitely is.

551
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,130
[Josh Janssen] In a self-defense circumstance,
do you ever, like, aim at the legs,

552
00:34:34,180 --> 00:34:36,830
or just try and disable them,
rather than killing?

553
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:42,310
[Mychael Waller] No. I shoot to stop them.
So in both situations, I just shot to stop them.

554
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,110
When they stop moving, I stop shooting.

555
00:34:44,580 --> 00:34:48,270
[Joe Calabrace] You can't instinctively shoot and determine,
"Well, I'm going to shoot him in the leg."

556
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,970
No, you just shoot him to stop him. If I'm here,
[unclear], and James is coming at me,

557
00:34:53,020 --> 00:34:57,270
guess what? He's getting the first one in
the torso and the second one to the brain.

558
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:58,600
I'm double-tapping his ass.

559
00:34:59,490 --> 00:35:02,360
[Josh Janssen] In those situations,
what was the environment?

560
00:35:04,410 --> 00:35:07,600
[Mychael Waller] First one, I was walking with my
five-year-old son. His name's MJ,

561
00:35:07,650 --> 00:35:11,490
Mychael Waller Jr. We were in Chicago,
we lived at the time,

562
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:19,370
and I was going home. And as I was
walking with him, a Latino male approached

563
00:35:19,420 --> 00:35:22,840
me in the alley, around 3:40 in the afternoon,
so it was broad daylight,

564
00:35:22,890 --> 00:35:27,680
kind of looked like this. And, you know,
pulls out a gun, starts throwing up gang signs.

565
00:35:28,190 --> 00:35:31,220
And as he started approaching me,
I then go to shield my son behind me,

566
00:35:31,470 --> 00:35:36,320
and I go for my firearm.
And when he sees my firearm, he opened fire,

567
00:35:37,180 --> 00:35:42,750
misses, and I returned fire, hitting him.
And we just are, at that point,

568
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,950
we're just exchanging gunfire.
We're in a gunfight. It feels like forever,

569
00:35:46,020 --> 00:35:49,820
but it's happening within seconds.
He lifts his head up. When he lifts his head up,

570
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,900
I take a shot at his head,
and he goes down.

571
00:35:55,110 --> 00:35:59,340
[Josh Janssen] And how did you sort of deal
with the weeks and months after,

572
00:35:59,390 --> 00:36:01,600
especially with your son being around?

573
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,560
[Mychael Waller] I think what helps me every time,
every night I think about it,

574
00:36:06,610 --> 00:36:12,300
is just knowing that my son's okay.
That kind of helps me get through,

575
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:18,510
you know, those moments, you know.
And now my wife and children,

576
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:23,090
they really help me, you know,
keep pushing through, because it gets hard at times,

577
00:36:23,150 --> 00:36:28,070
you know, taking life. But it was either our
lives or his. So it was a pretty easy choice

578
00:36:28,510 --> 00:36:29,510
to make.

579
00:36:29,620 --> 00:36:31,800
[Tommy Jackett] Joe, does this resonate with you?

580
00:36:32,540 --> 00:36:36,160
[Joe Calabrace] Oh my gosh, yeah. I guess the twenty
years I spent in the military,

581
00:36:40,220 --> 00:36:45,210
everything, any emotion you had was stifled.
That's what he's describing.

582
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:51,880
It's just, look at our movies in America,
okay? Well, how does the good guy save the

583
00:36:51,940 --> 00:36:58,980
good people? He shoots them, you know?
But yet we take the gun and we turn it

584
00:36:59,030 --> 00:37:03,940
into this weapon of destruction.
No, it saves lives. He'd be dead.

585
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:06,950
Him and his son may be dead right now,
you know, if he wasn't carrying,

586
00:37:07,210 --> 00:37:07,710
you know.

587
00:37:07,610 --> 00:37:08,610
[Tommy Jackett] Yeah.

588
00:37:08,660 --> 00:37:10,110
[Joe Calabrace] Now, just make sure it's unloaded.

589
00:37:10,190 --> 00:37:10,690
[Josh Janssen] Yep.

590
00:37:10,610 --> 00:37:11,610
[Joe Calabrace] And then put it in a rack.

591
00:37:11,810 --> 00:37:12,480
[Josh Janssen] Cool.

592
00:37:12,530 --> 00:37:13,530
[Joe Calabrace] Next victim.

593
00:37:14,740 --> 00:37:19,360
[Adam Winkler] For most of American history,
courts generally thought that the Second Amendment was

594
00:37:19,410 --> 00:37:23,700
about protecting militias, and didn't have
much to do with an individual right to bear

595
00:37:23,810 --> 00:37:30,310
arms. But there was always a contesting view.
There was always a dissenting view about

596
00:37:30,370 --> 00:37:33,680
the Second Amendment, that it did
protect an individual right to bear arms.

597
00:37:34,130 --> 00:37:38,890
Over time, that view became more
and more popular. In the 1970s,

598
00:37:38,970 --> 00:37:45,010
that view became paramount. It became almost
exclusively about a right of personal self-defense.

599
00:37:46,900 --> 00:37:49,980
[Josh Janssen] There are many different
reasons why people own firearms.

600
00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:51,940
[Josh Janssen] Shooting range, next left.

601
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:57,620
[Josh Janssen] But for the most armed man in America,
Mel Bernstein, aka Dragon Man,

602
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,900
raises the question:
can one individual own too many guns?

603
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:05,200
[Josh Janssen] Is that his shooting range?
His shooting range, do we think?

604
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,890
[Josh Janssen] Yeah! Now what's more fun than that?

605
00:38:18,570 --> 00:38:19,570
[Mel Bernstein] Cut.

606
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:23,870
[Tommy Jackett] Yep.

607
00:38:24,650 --> 00:38:31,140
[Mel Bernstein] Excuse me. Beep beep, beep beep, coming through.
People say over 6,000 guns in my name.

608
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,470
Everything's legal with
the right paperwork.

609
00:38:34,250 --> 00:38:35,440
[Josh Janssen] Do you like doing paperwork?

610
00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:39,380
[Mel Bernstein] Uh, well, my daughter does all the paperwork.
I just buy everything.

611
00:38:40,770 --> 00:38:45,300
But, uh, being a Class 7 dealer—
see, it goes from Class 1 to Class 7.

612
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:51,530
Class 7 is the highest FFL license a citizen
could obtain. So I reached that level.

613
00:38:52,010 --> 00:38:54,470
[Josh Janssen] Amazing. Yeah. Is it sort of like
black belt of the gun world?

614
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,300
[Mel Bernstein] It's everything. I could call up today and
get ten cases of dynamite delivered tomorrow

615
00:38:58,350 --> 00:38:58,860
morning.

616
00:38:58,910 --> 00:39:01,410
[Josh Janssen] When you were talking,
I was thinking about the Second Amendment.

617
00:39:01,540 --> 00:39:02,210
[Mel Bernstein] Yeah.

618
00:39:02,260 --> 00:39:03,350
[Josh Janssen] How important is that?

619
00:39:04,110 --> 00:39:07,050
[Mel Bernstein] Very important. You know,
if we lose that, we lose everything.

620
00:39:08,370 --> 00:39:11,430
You know, even when I was young,
my dad used to take me upstate New York,

621
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,910
you know, hunting and stuff.
And I really don't like killing animals,

622
00:39:15,330 --> 00:39:17,360
you know, but, you know,
we target practice and all that.

623
00:39:17,490 --> 00:39:20,570
[Tommy Jackett] What are the similarities in
the gun lovers that you see?

624
00:39:21,900 --> 00:39:25,180
[Mel Bernstein] Well, they're really
basically 98% all good people.

625
00:39:25,330 --> 00:39:27,590
[Melissa Flanell] Was it going to be more about,
like, mental health?

626
00:39:27,770 --> 00:39:32,460
[Josh Janssen] Off camera, we noticed Dragon Man's daughter
Melissa getting frustrated with some of

627
00:39:32,510 --> 00:39:33,510
our questions.

628
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,050
[Melissa Flanell] It just seems like the questions
are leading, like, you know,

629
00:39:36,110 --> 00:39:41,300
you're trying to get him to say things,
or something towards a certain type of political

630
00:39:41,450 --> 00:39:44,420
side. You could leave some things in there that he says.
You could leave a lot of things

631
00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:45,230
out that he says.

632
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,290
[Josh Janssen] What's the biggest risk for you,
do you think?

633
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,680
[Melissa Flanell] Just satisfying the beliefs of those people
who think that we shouldn't have guns.

634
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:52,830
[Mel Bernstein] Yeah, yeah, okay.

635
00:39:53,940 --> 00:39:57,900
[Tommy Jackett] Melissa, can I ask you a question?
Do you think you can talk about guns without talking

636
00:39:57,950 --> 00:39:58,950
about politics?

637
00:39:59,420 --> 00:40:04,140
[Melissa Flanell] Uh, right now, no. In the '90s, you could.
The media has made it a huge political thing.

638
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:05,290
[Tommy Jackett] Yeah.

639
00:40:05,340 --> 00:40:08,090
[Mel Bernstein] How you doing there?
Thanks for coming to see my military museum.

640
00:40:08,140 --> 00:40:12,080
I'm the Dragon Man. Probably going to take
about two hours, so you guys are really going

641
00:40:12,130 --> 00:40:14,720
to get a lot of information,
you know, if you listen up.

642
00:40:15,110 --> 00:40:16,510
[Tommy Jackett] Are these real guns, Mel?

643
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:21,870
[Mel Bernstein] Uh, yeah, nothing says Toys "R" Us.
.78 caliber. That's a big slug.

644
00:40:21,940 --> 00:40:22,450
[Tommy Jackett] Wow.

645
00:40:22,500 --> 00:40:26,610
[Mel Bernstein] .58 caliber right here. Blunderbuss.
And if that thing hits you,

646
00:40:26,900 --> 00:40:31,220
your head's coming off. This is the Enfield
bolt-action. This is as close as you get

647
00:40:31,270 --> 00:40:32,750
to the gun that killed Lincoln.

648
00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:39,580
[Mel Bernstein] He died the next day, April 15th,
1865. Okay, guys, at least once a month,

649
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:45,020
I like to tell people about Terry,
my late wife. Uh, this is her memorial right here.

650
00:40:46,580 --> 00:40:52,450
In 2012, we were filming for the Discovery Channel.
I was supposed to have my own show

651
00:40:52,530 --> 00:40:59,110
called Dragon Tales, you know,
and the very last episode, all we had to do was hold the

652
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:04,360
machine guns and walk through the smoke.
And one of the smoke bombs took off and went

653
00:41:04,450 --> 00:41:08,090
right through her. She was right next to me,
and she died right out here in the shooting

654
00:41:08,140 --> 00:41:12,450
range. And she really did a lot,
you know, to get this museum going.

655
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:16,300
So we don't want her to be forgotten.
Her name was Terry Flanell.

656
00:41:17,020 --> 00:41:22,740
All right, thanks for listening.
Okay, the next room here is World War I.

657
00:41:23,620 --> 00:41:26,970
[Tommy Jackett] People grow up and their parents have businesses,
and not everyone wants to go into the

658
00:41:27,020 --> 00:41:31,070
family business.
What was that decision for you like?

659
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:37,190
[Melissa Flanell] Um, I didn't have a choice. I mean,
I had a choice. My mom passed away very abruptly,

660
00:41:37,850 --> 00:41:41,040
and my dad did not know how to do a
lot of the paperwork side of things.

661
00:41:41,770 --> 00:41:46,100
So the reason why I stay is,
I do love firearms. I could do this anywhere.

662
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:51,350
It's the museum that keeps me here.
There's so much history in that museum that people

663
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,710
need to learn about.
And if it's not here to be seen by people,

664
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:59,110
it needs to go on to another museum,
because there's history throughout the world that

665
00:41:59,170 --> 00:42:00,510
people need to remember.

666
00:42:01,650 --> 00:42:03,360
[Josh Janssen] How often do you think about your mum?

667
00:42:04,310 --> 00:42:10,500
[Melissa Flanell] Every day. Yeah,
so being here keeps me closer to her.

668
00:42:11,780 --> 00:42:13,850
And someone has to watch my dad. He's got—

669
00:42:16,150 --> 00:42:20,510
[Josh Janssen] Dragon Man and his daughter Melissa didn't
need to open their doors to our cameras,

670
00:42:21,250 --> 00:42:26,600
but they did. Beyond the character of Dragon Man,
we did get to see a side that is Mel

671
00:42:26,650 --> 00:42:32,230
Bernstein: that's kind, that's generous,
and just so happens to have an obsession with

672
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:33,030
guns.

673
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:34,580
[Josh Janssen] Thank you so much for being so generous.

674
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:35,130
[Mel Bernstein] Oh, yeah, yeah.

675
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:35,500
[Tommy Jackett] That was amazing.

676
00:42:35,410 --> 00:42:36,100
[Mel Bernstein] Yeah, my pleasure.

677
00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:36,660
[Tommy Jackett] Thanks, Mel.

678
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:37,710
[Mel Bernstein] Yeah, you're good guys.

679
00:42:47,660 --> 00:42:49,450
[Josh Janssen] What have you thought of Texas so far?

680
00:42:50,180 --> 00:42:53,690
[Tommy Jackett] People are so friendly.
Weather's very hot.

681
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:54,320
[Josh Janssen] Yes.

682
00:42:54,370 --> 00:42:56,300
[Tommy Jackett] And it seems like they're
running their own show.

683
00:42:56,990 --> 00:42:57,840
[Josh Janssen] What do you mean?

684
00:42:57,890 --> 00:42:59,330
[Tommy Jackett] Like, Texas is Texas.

685
00:43:00,090 --> 00:43:00,590
[Josh Janssen] Yeah.

686
00:43:00,580 --> 00:43:01,580
[Diner customer] What's up, Parnell?

687
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:04,730
[Tommy Jackett] Oh, look, he's got a gun on his hip.

688
00:43:05,500 --> 00:43:06,500
[Josh Janssen] You see?

689
00:43:09,290 --> 00:43:13,630
[Tommy Jackett] That's the first person, like,
person in public that we've seen with a gun on their hip.

690
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:14,890
He looks like a real cowboy.

691
00:43:15,780 --> 00:43:16,780
[Josh Janssen] Maybe he's a sheriff.

692
00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:21,620
[Tommy Jackett] I like it.
Is it too much to ask him about his gun?

693
00:43:21,730 --> 00:43:22,730
[Josh Janssen] Yeah, I think so. Too much?

694
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,030
[Tommy Jackett] Excuse me, sir.

695
00:43:27,950 --> 00:43:28,450
[Sheriff Parnell McNamara] Yes, sir.

696
00:43:28,430 --> 00:43:29,430
[Tommy Jackett] Are you the sheriff?

697
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:30,330
[Sheriff Parnell McNamara] Yes, sir.

698
00:43:30,380 --> 00:43:31,380
[Tommy Jackett] Tommy.

699
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:32,440
[Sheriff Parnell McNamara] Nice meeting you.

700
00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:33,550
[Tommy Jackett] And this is my friend Josh.

701
00:43:33,820 --> 00:43:35,220
[Sheriff Parnell McNamara] Josh, how are you doing? I'm Parnell.

702
00:43:35,610 --> 00:43:39,390
[Tommy Jackett] We're from Australia,
making a documentary about the Second Amendment.

703
00:43:39,470 --> 00:43:44,480
[Sheriff Parnell McNamara] I'm a big Second Amendment guy. Yeah,
I think every honest citizen ought to be able to

704
00:43:44,530 --> 00:43:45,530
carry a firearm.

705
00:43:46,060 --> 00:43:52,940
[Josh Janssen] Um, and so you're dealing with civilians with guns.
Does that complicate what you have

706
00:43:52,990 --> 00:43:54,270
to do? How do you stay safe?

707
00:43:54,340 --> 00:44:00,370
[Sheriff Parnell McNamara] Absolutely not. No. I'd like to see you,
and you, and everybody in here that's law-abiding

708
00:44:00,460 --> 00:44:01,460
have a firearm.

709
00:44:01,850 --> 00:44:02,450
[Tommy Jackett] Yeah, that's what I—

710
00:44:02,500 --> 00:44:06,200
[Sheriff Parnell McNamara] See that silver Ram out there?
If you want to, I'll let you blow the siren.

711
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:07,940
[Tommy Jackett] Oh, I'd love that.

712
00:44:15,410 --> 00:44:17,280
[Tommy Jackett] Turn it up.

713
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,550
[Josh Janssen] I love it. That's great.

714
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:27,300
[Sheriff Parnell McNamara] You guys want to get some pictures of
y'all with some Thompson submachine guns?

715
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,410
[Tommy Jackett] Yeah. Have you got a stash?

716
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:31,160
[Sheriff Parnell McNamara] I got a stash.

717
00:44:31,390 --> 00:44:34,260
[Josh Janssen] Well, this escalated quickly, didn't it?

718
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:35,460
[Josh Janssen] I can't believe we're doing this.

719
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:42,930
[Sheriff Parnell McNamara] These are twin Tommy guns,
1928 model. Thompson submachine guns.

720
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:50,630
Look at that right there.
Very rare. It is stamped "Tommy gun".

721
00:44:50,690 --> 00:44:51,190
[Tommy Jackett] Oh, wow.

722
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:51,800
[Josh Janssen] Look at you.

723
00:44:51,850 --> 00:44:52,350
[Sheriff Parnell McNamara] Oh, yeah.

724
00:44:52,260 --> 00:44:53,470
[Tommy Jackett] Well, that's my nickname.

725
00:44:53,870 --> 00:44:56,610
[Sheriff Parnell McNamara] These were appraised around $45,000.

726
00:44:56,820 --> 00:44:58,000
[Josh Janssen] Do you take it out to the range?

727
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:05,730
[Sheriff Parnell McNamara] Oh, yeah. I don't have any gun that I won't shoot.
These are double-barrel 10-gauge

728
00:45:05,970 --> 00:45:13,020
Magnums. It has a very tranquilizing
effect on the scumbags when you point

729
00:45:13,070 --> 00:45:14,070
it at them.

730
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,080
[Tommy Jackett] We've been learning about firearms,
and just how dry firing,

731
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,520
right, is not good for the gun.
Can I dry fire this, or—

732
00:45:25,060 --> 00:45:30,840
[Sheriff Parnell McNamara] Go ahead and dry fire it.
Hang on a second. Yeah, go ahead.

733
00:45:34,260 --> 00:45:35,260
[Tommy Jackett] Is this the Colt?

734
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:37,690
[Sheriff Parnell McNamara] Yes.

735
00:45:37,630 --> 00:45:38,290
[Tommy Jackett] Wow. Can I?

736
00:45:38,340 --> 00:45:44,380
[Sheriff Parnell McNamara] Yeah, sure. Got to take it off safety.
There you go. Push it forward.

737
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,120
[Tommy Jackett] Oh, there you go. Oh,
there's a bullet in there.

738
00:45:47,530 --> 00:45:54,660
[Sheriff Parnell McNamara] Okay, don't dry fire that one. Yeah,

739
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:55,710
I thought—

740
00:45:56,900 --> 00:46:02,510
[Josh Janssen] Anyway, so I've heard there's a hog problem,
and we're thinking about going hog hunting

741
00:46:02,610 --> 00:46:04,220
out of a helicopter. What do you think?

742
00:46:04,910 --> 00:46:12,110
[Sheriff Parnell McNamara] Yeah, that's— by all means. We hate them.
They multiply about every two months.

743
00:46:12,180 --> 00:46:18,380
They'll have twelve, fourteen, fifteen piglets,
and then they just multiply like rats.

744
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:23,890
[Tommy Jackett] And so, Sheriff, anyway,
I've never taken a life with a gun before.

745
00:46:24,780 --> 00:46:28,420
Is there, you know, something I should feel bad about?
I can't really work it out just

746
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:29,470
yet.

747
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,180
[Sheriff Parnell McNamara] Killing a hog? Absolutely not.

748
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:40,060
[Sheriff Parnell McNamara] You're doing everybody a service to get
rid of a pig. No, do not feel guilty.

749
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,130
Absolutely, you should feel wonderful
when you kill that first pig.

750
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:45,880
And I'm serious.

751
00:46:46,380 --> 00:46:51,200
[Josh Janssen] When we started on this journey,
we wanted to challenge our own preconceived ideas and

752
00:46:51,250 --> 00:46:56,370
beliefs. Hunting is a big part of American culture,
but we've never killed an animal

753
00:46:56,420 --> 00:46:56,920
before.

754
00:46:56,910 --> 00:46:57,680
[Josh Janssen] Good morning.

755
00:46:57,730 --> 00:46:58,310
[Georgia Tucker] Are y'all ready?

756
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,740
[Josh Janssen] Yeah. What do we need
to just keep in mind?

757
00:47:01,740 --> 00:47:05,320
[Georgia Tucker] Don't shoot the helicopter.
Don't shoot the blades. Don't shoot the skids.

758
00:47:05,900 --> 00:47:09,450
The skid, what we land on and all that?
Don't shoot those. Don't shoot your foot.

759
00:47:10,570 --> 00:47:14,300
If you're in the front seat,
the pilot has controls right beside you,

760
00:47:14,350 --> 00:47:17,450
so try not to be all in his space,
'cause that'll affect how you're flying.

761
00:47:18,310 --> 00:47:18,810
[Tommy Jackett] Yeah, yeah.

762
00:47:18,810 --> 00:47:23,110
[Georgia Tucker] If you're in the back seat, just watch.
Yeah. Watch, and don't shoot the front person.

763
00:47:23,210 --> 00:47:24,210
[Josh Janssen] Okay, great.

764
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:29,870
[Josh Janssen] All right. With that being said,
we're scared shitless, and we're being entrusted to

765
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,280
shoot pigs out of a moving helicopter.

766
00:47:34,450 --> 00:47:35,450
[Dustin Johnson] Can you see your red dot?

767
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:36,520
[Josh Janssen] Yeah, I can.

768
00:47:36,990 --> 00:47:37,700
[Tommy Jackett] Yep.

769
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:41,050
[Dustin Johnson] All right, up front, let's check yours.
Are you ready? Put your mag in.

770
00:47:43,570 --> 00:47:47,360
Just don't slam it that hard again.
In the go of things, you might get jammed.

771
00:47:47,450 --> 00:47:52,230
Right now you're fine. Yep. Okay,
like that you're loaded, and like that you're loaded.

772
00:47:52,330 --> 00:47:59,610
[Tommy Jackett] Okay. Man, it feels

773
00:47:59,660 --> 00:48:00,660
weird.

774
00:48:14,090 --> 00:48:15,090
[Tommy Jackett] Beautiful out here.

775
00:48:23,420 --> 00:48:26,610
[Dustin Johnson] Y'all just had the same music in your headsets I do.
It makes it a lot more fun.

776
00:48:30,010 --> 00:48:31,580
I think there's a group of pigs over here.

777
00:48:33,940 --> 00:48:35,890
[Tommy Jackett] So what, you found a pig, is that right?

778
00:48:35,940 --> 00:48:39,570
[Dustin Johnson] Yes, he just found one.
Just breaking out into the field now.

779
00:48:39,620 --> 00:48:41,740
You're gonna need to get in position.
We're fixing to shoot these.

780
00:48:41,860 --> 00:48:44,550
See, take it off safety.
We'll shoot one, just so you know. Okay.

781
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:45,100
Shoot one.

782
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:45,990
[Josh Janssen] Sorry, I'll take off safety.

783
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,490
[Dustin Johnson] Shoot him.

784
00:48:47,540 --> 00:48:48,070
[Josh Janssen] Okay.

785
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,750
[Dustin Johnson] Just like that. All right, all right,
all right, all right, all right.

786
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,470
Hold on. If I say "all right",
quit shooting, okay?

787
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:53,020
[Josh Janssen] Yep.

788
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:54,950
[Dustin Johnson] Not being a jerk. I just—
there's a lot of pigs here.

789
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:55,500
[Josh Janssen] Yep.

790
00:48:55,320 --> 00:49:00,370
[Dustin Johnson] I want to kill as many as I can.
All right. You gotta aim.

791
00:49:06,620 --> 00:49:17,700
[Josh Janssen] All right, wait, wait,
wait, wait, wait. Three,

792
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:18,750
two, one. Hell yeah!

793
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:24,880
[Tommy Jackett] Wow! Yeah! Beautiful!
That was unbelievable! Yeah, this is wild.

794
00:49:25,130 --> 00:49:31,460
This is Texas, baby!

795
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:38,910
[Josh Janssen] Starting to feel a little motion sick.
It's amazing

796
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:46,410
you're able to text and
fly at the same time. I

797
00:49:46,500 --> 00:49:49,680
always thought that helicopters
naturally want to tip over.

798
00:49:49,830 --> 00:49:50,830
[Dustin Johnson] They do.

799
00:49:52,620 --> 00:49:54,460
[Josh Janssen] What do you love most about America?

800
00:49:55,340 --> 00:49:58,950
[Dustin Johnson] I would definitely have to say freedom that we have.
I guess we take it for granted.

801
00:49:59,370 --> 00:50:02,270
We can sleep with our doors unlocked
last night if we wanted to.

802
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,720
Nobody's going to come rob us.
They're not going to come shoot us.

803
00:50:06,740 --> 00:50:10,320
What we can and can't do,
and how safe America is compared to other countries.

804
00:50:11,050 --> 00:50:15,660
Well, hands down, I would say that has to
be what I enjoy most about being here.

805
00:50:15,940 --> 00:50:19,600
Big-ass pig. Big-ass pig right here.
Turning hard right.

806
00:50:23,130 --> 00:50:26,280
[Tommy Jackett] How would you feel if there was no guns
for personal safety in this country?

807
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:29,920
[Dustin Johnson] Even though I know I don't need it at night,
it sure makes me sleep better knowing that

808
00:50:29,970 --> 00:50:32,620
I'm a fingerprint away from my
pistol popping up. Hammer down.

809
00:50:32,830 --> 00:50:33,830
Kill him!

810
00:50:34,690 --> 00:50:35,590
[Josh Janssen] Nice shot!

811
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:36,590
[Dustin Johnson] Beautiful shot!

812
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:41,380
[Tommy Jackett] One shot, JJ! That was unbelievable!

813
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:48,530
[Dustin Johnson] The Trump flag is really flagging.
Now that will be ideal. That's America right there.

814
00:50:48,770 --> 00:50:50,540
Did you get it?

815
00:50:51,250 --> 00:50:52,250
[Josh Janssen] Got it.

816
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,430
[Josh Janssen] Do you feel like we've become
desensitized to the guns?

817
00:50:59,150 --> 00:51:03,040
[Tommy Jackett] Yeah, I mean, that moment at the
sheriff's office, the live bullet.

818
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:09,630
Like, while it is— there is a bit of, "Oh,
wow." Yeah, I'm definitely feeling like we're

819
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,180
becoming a lot more desensitized.

820
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:17,030
[Josh Janssen] Think about when we started, and we were,
like, worried about where the crew was.

821
00:51:17,140 --> 00:51:20,840
And I think about everyone that we've spoken to,
I've completely trusted.

822
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,560
We're assuming that they have our best
interests at heart, that they're thinking about

823
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:28,160
the safety element.

824
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:29,130
[Tommy Jackett] Yeah.

825
00:51:29,180 --> 00:51:33,500
[Josh Janssen] We said at the start, "Oh, we don't really
want to make a documentary that's filled with

826
00:51:33,550 --> 00:51:40,580
politics." Are we slowly becoming influenced
to play into that exact narrative?

827
00:51:40,830 --> 00:51:44,670
[Tommy Jackett] Well, you see, you know,
conversation with Melissa from Dragon Man.

828
00:51:44,950 --> 00:51:49,560
We didn't feel like we were
being overly political.

829
00:51:50,500 --> 00:51:53,510
[Tommy Jackett] She actually said that you can't talk
about guns without talking about politics.

830
00:51:55,490 --> 00:51:59,850
[Josh Janssen] Everywhere we look, we see guns.
Since being on this road trip,

831
00:52:00,260 --> 00:52:04,010
our social media algorithms have
morphed into everyday carry videos,

832
00:52:04,530 --> 00:52:07,260
body cam footage and self-defense tips.

833
00:52:07,570 --> 00:52:11,870
[Katherine Schweit] When I started as a print journalist,
it was everybody read their local newspaper,

834
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,990
but now everybody gets their
news from social media.

835
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,600
[Irina Bucur] First few gunshots rang out like fireworks,
but when they continued,

836
00:52:19,690 --> 00:52:22,810
people in the crowd at the Butler Farm
Show venue dropped to the ground.

837
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:27,270
A mother and father told their children to crouch down.
A young man hunched over in the

838
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,980
grass. Behind him,
a woman started to pray.

839
00:52:31,260 --> 00:52:36,340
[Katherine Schweit] What occurred in the United States didn't
go out all over the United States in social

840
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:40,550
media, but now it does.
So people now think that every corner has a murderer.

841
00:52:40,700 --> 00:52:44,380
[Man on a city street] There was a shooting last night, right there.
Saw a dude's head fucking blown off,

842
00:52:44,430 --> 00:52:45,780
like, two weeks ago.

843
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:48,820
[Tommy Jackett] But the problem is everything
is in small sound bites.

844
00:52:48,870 --> 00:52:52,430
[Man in a cowboy hat] Society has been conditioned to
get everything in under a minute.

845
00:52:52,730 --> 00:52:56,360
[Daniel Patinkin] I don't care how many laws you pass,
there's still going to be a ridiculous number of

846
00:52:56,410 --> 00:52:57,410
guns in this country.

847
00:52:57,610 --> 00:52:59,540
[Woman in a winter coat] This is a kind of place of fear.

848
00:52:59,700 --> 00:53:05,530
[Kamala Harris] We're determined to live free from gun violence,
and to protect our planet,

849
00:53:05,580 --> 00:53:08,600
and to shape the world they inherit.

850
00:53:09,660 --> 00:53:12,630
[Tommy Jackett] What do guns mean to you?
Does it play a part of your life?

851
00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:13,790
[Woman with short grey hair] No, it does not.

852
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:15,420
[Josh Janssen] What about for self-defense?

853
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,720
[Her daughter] I registered, and I went and got a gun.
A weapon that's registered legally.

854
00:53:20,170 --> 00:53:24,100
[Woman with short grey hair] I still cringe at it, but—

855
00:53:24,700 --> 00:53:27,000
[Josh Janssen] It's a choice she made.

856
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:28,670
[Woman with short grey hair] It's a choice she made.

857
00:53:28,860 --> 00:53:35,080
[Adam Winkler] Today, people feel that the threat is very real,
even though the data show that the threat

858
00:53:35,130 --> 00:53:38,570
is much less significant today than
it has been in a long, long time.

859
00:53:39,460 --> 00:53:43,690
[Josh Janssen] Right where we are now is really
where Trump was. Over there,

860
00:53:43,740 --> 00:53:44,930
that was where the shooter was?

861
00:53:45,100 --> 00:53:45,600
[Man in Butler] Yeah.

862
00:53:45,570 --> 00:53:46,580
[Josh Janssen] It seems very close.

863
00:53:47,820 --> 00:53:52,190
[Mother at the memorial] We try to shelter our kids a lot
from news and media, so, sure,

864
00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:56,540
it's come up sometimes. For example,
if you hear a gunshot in the neighborhood,

865
00:53:56,660 --> 00:53:58,740
right? It seems like it's close by.

866
00:53:59,610 --> 00:54:00,610
[Josh Janssen] Do you own a gun?

867
00:54:01,070 --> 00:54:07,850
[Man in a bandana] I do. People that love access to guns would
say that they feel safer having as many weapons

868
00:54:07,900 --> 00:54:09,540
as possible in their house.

869
00:54:09,770 --> 00:54:13,250
[Tommy Jackett] To protect themselves from
whatever threat is outside.

870
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,150
[Josh Janssen] Do you feel safer with your gun?

871
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,420
[Man in a bandana] Yes, but I also live in reality.

872
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:23,840
[Tommy Jackett] So you're saying that your staff over this
side are being shot at from over there?

873
00:54:24,100 --> 00:54:24,850
[Othal Brand] The other side.

874
00:54:24,900 --> 00:54:25,890
[Tommy Jackett] Who by?

875
00:54:25,940 --> 00:54:26,610
[Othal Brand] Cartel.

876
00:54:26,660 --> 00:54:29,390
[Tommy Jackett] America's got a gun problem.
What do you think about that?

877
00:54:29,690 --> 00:54:32,670
[Sheriff Roy Boyd] Doesn't matter if you're in church or if
you're in prison, the problem is the same.

878
00:54:33,220 --> 00:54:34,220
Human beings.

879
00:54:34,300 --> 00:54:37,390
[Chris Cabrera] We've had gunfire back and forth.
Something you train for, something you prepare for.

880
00:54:37,450 --> 00:54:39,010
You prepare for it,
and you deal with it when it comes.

881
00:54:39,580 --> 00:54:44,680
[Josh Janssen] I remember when I first came to the US,
and I went and saw a movie at the cinema,

882
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:50,290
and as I sat down, I straight away looked for my exit,
which I'd never do in Australia.

883
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,960
But I was thinking about the news,
and around mass shootings.

884
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,050
When you go to a place like this,
were guns on your mind?

885
00:54:59,390 --> 00:55:03,830
[Woman at the cinema] I usually don't admit to this. But, yeah.

886
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:12,650
[Josh Janssen] For the last month, all we've been talking
about is guns, and we need time to collect

887
00:55:12,700 --> 00:55:19,490
our thoughts. With Halloween preparations underway,
it's a good time for us and the crew

888
00:55:19,540 --> 00:55:26,540
to pause. My older brother James moved to
the US for college and ended up marrying

889
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,490
an American. They now live in North
Carolina with my niece and nephew.

890
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:37,940
[Josh Janssen] Were people dressed up at school today?

891
00:55:38,490 --> 00:55:38,990
[A child] Yeah.

892
00:55:38,810 --> 00:55:43,380
[Josh Janssen] It's the first time Tommy and I are carving pumpkins.
It feels about as American as shooting

893
00:55:43,460 --> 00:55:44,550
guns for the first time.

894
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,220
[Tommy Jackett] [name], do you want to help?
Your uncle needs help.

895
00:55:48,650 --> 00:55:50,270
[Josh Janssen] And I also need help with my pumpkin, too.

896
00:55:51,330 --> 00:55:55,270
[Josh Janssen] I'm not sure if Americans feel this way,
but whenever we do this sort of thing,

897
00:55:55,700 --> 00:55:56,810
we feel like we're in a movie.

898
00:55:58,110 --> 00:56:02,410
[Josh Janssen] That looks cool. Yeah,
and so now I'll cut it out. It's fun.

899
00:56:02,700 --> 00:56:04,280
Yeah, you spent more time on yours.

900
00:56:04,450 --> 00:56:09,530
[Tommy Jackett] It's not a competition. Oh, here we go.

901
00:56:09,610 --> 00:56:10,610
[Josh Janssen] Down here is really nice.

902
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:19,120
[Tommy Jackett] [name]! Oh, I miss you, [name].
We're going trick-or-treating around the neighborhood

903
00:56:19,170 --> 00:56:20,000
here. Put it back.

904
00:56:20,050 --> 00:56:21,060
[Tommy's family] Are you getting candy?

905
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,190
[Tommy Jackett] I can't wait to see you.
I'll bring you home some candy. I love you,

906
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:27,240
[name]. Love you, [name].
Love you, [name]. Love you.

907
00:56:27,610 --> 00:56:28,610
[Josh Janssen] Love you.

908
00:56:28,860 --> 00:56:29,700
[Tommy Jackett] Bye.

909
00:56:29,750 --> 00:56:32,280
[Tommy's family] Have fun. Bye. See you, Daddy. Bye.

910
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:33,640
[Tommy Jackett] See ya.

911
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,490
[Josh Janssen] Let's go this way.

912
00:56:36,750 --> 00:56:40,410
[Josh Janssen] This suburban bubble feels disconnected
from everything we've been exploring,

913
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:46,000
but we can't shake our experience in conversations.
It had me reflecting on the world

914
00:56:46,050 --> 00:56:47,880
my niece and nephew are growing up in.

915
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:52,570
[Josh Janssen] Do you have a gun?

916
00:56:52,620 --> 00:56:55,430
[Neighbour in his front yard] Of course.

917
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:56,480
[Josh Janssen] What sort of gun have you got?

918
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:01,040
[Neighbour in his front yard] I got a .38 snub. Everybody got a gun.
It's America, man. You gotta have a gun.

919
00:57:01,180 --> 00:57:03,670
[Tommy Jackett] In Australia, in fact,
when my family came, they were very afraid,

920
00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:06,550
because it was July 4th and all
the firecrackers. They were like—

921
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,170
she was afraid that somebody was shooting.
So I know in Australia it's a little different.

922
00:57:11,220 --> 00:57:16,610
[Josh Janssen] How does the American gun culture impact children?
And what does the future of gun culture

923
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,860
look like for the average American child?

924
00:57:23,130 --> 00:57:27,380
[Man in a pig mask] So this would probably be, like,
everybody's favorite. I don't know why.

925
00:57:28,410 --> 00:57:31,570
Like, even the little kids are
super fascinated with body parts.

926
00:57:35,340 --> 00:57:38,970
[Josh Janssen] In the well-needed downtime,
Tommy and I were asking these questions,

927
00:57:39,850 --> 00:57:40,990
and doing our own research.

928
00:57:45,580 --> 00:57:47,270
[Instructor] When we're done shooting,
what do we do first?

929
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,150
[A boy] Put it on safe. You put it on safety.

930
00:57:49,710 --> 00:57:54,290
[Josh Janssen] We'd heard about a program just outside Atlanta,
Georgia, not far from North Carolina,

931
00:57:54,370 --> 00:57:59,300
called Kids to Kings. They happen to use
firearms as part of their practice to empower

932
00:57:59,350 --> 00:58:00,350
young boys.

933
00:58:00,790 --> 00:58:02,670
[Josh Janssen] And so is this gun loaded right now?

934
00:58:02,980 --> 00:58:08,360
[Devin Perkins] Always one in the pipe. Yep,
always. Um, it's just a, again,

935
00:58:08,450 --> 00:58:12,660
preparedness thing. Like, has this gun done
anything during that amount of time that

936
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:13,720
we've been sitting here talking?

937
00:58:13,980 --> 00:58:14,480
[Tommy Jackett] No.

938
00:58:14,220 --> 00:58:19,320
[Devin Perkins] It's an inanimate object. It's not going to
do anything unless someone removes it from

939
00:58:19,370 --> 00:58:25,020
this holster and then pulls the trigger.
Anti-gunners blaming guns for situations,

940
00:58:25,140 --> 00:58:29,970
it literally makes no sense. And then on top of that,
when something bad is done with

941
00:58:30,020 --> 00:58:34,000
a gun, do we not call people with
guns to handle the person with a gun?

942
00:58:34,500 --> 00:58:39,510
So clearly it can't be the gun that's the problem.
It's the person and their motives

943
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,900
behind the gun that could be the problem.
We got white kids shooting up schools.

944
00:58:42,990 --> 00:58:46,170
We got Black kids shooting up neighborhoods.
We need to figure out why they're shooting

945
00:58:46,220 --> 00:58:51,960
at all, and stop that. And then we can get
some real solutions and some more progress.

946
00:58:52,700 --> 00:58:57,540
[Josh Janssen] We saw a video on Instagram of some kids shooting,
and now we're speaking to you.

947
00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:59,530
Can you tell us the connection there?

948
00:58:59,830 --> 00:59:05,240
[Devin Perkins] Oh, Kids to Kings. What we do is we
mentor groups of boys in Atlanta,

949
00:59:05,290 --> 00:59:10,060
Georgia. They all come from Title I charter schools.
So these are kids coming out of

950
00:59:10,110 --> 00:59:14,850
the worst areas of Atlanta,
and we proactively teach them about guns the right way.

951
00:59:15,010 --> 00:59:20,280
I want you guys to go to Atlanta and see it,
and y'all get to see firsthand the solution

952
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:23,750
to anything that's going wrong in
the Second Amendment community.

953
00:59:24,890 --> 00:59:25,560
[Kevin Dixie] Hey, what's going on?

954
00:59:25,610 --> 00:59:26,830
[Josh Janssen] How you going? I'm Josh.

955
00:59:27,070 --> 00:59:27,890
[Kevin Dixie] Josh. Kevin.

956
00:59:27,940 --> 00:59:28,870
[Josh Janssen] Kevin, nice to meet you.

957
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:29,920
[Kevin Dixie] Likewise, likewise.

958
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:31,050
[A boy] [name].

959
00:59:31,100 --> 00:59:32,050
[Tommy Jackett] [name]?

960
00:59:32,100 --> 00:59:32,750
[A boy] [name].

961
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:34,970
[Tommy Jackett] [name]. Nice to meet you, man.

962
00:59:35,790 --> 00:59:39,830
[Kevin Dixie] These young men are part of the Kids to Kings program.
It's a nonprofit organization

963
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,740
meant at— aiming to help
enrich the lives of young men.

964
00:59:44,410 --> 00:59:48,980
[A boy] The thing— what I like about Kids to
Kings program is that we have more,

965
00:59:49,030 --> 00:59:54,380
like, experience with being around firearms,
and knowing what to do and what not to do,

966
00:59:54,770 --> 01:00:00,780
and, um, being around other people,
other Black kids like us,

967
01:00:00,830 --> 01:00:02,820
and stuff like that. Yes.

968
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,880
[Kevin Dixie] Black people in America with
guns gets an extremely bad rep.

969
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,860
We're able to take the information and
knowledge we have and not only educate young men

970
01:00:09,910 --> 01:00:12,170
and help them out,
but change the narrative at the same time.

971
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:14,800
[Tommy Jackett] You boys feeling all right?

972
01:00:15,110 --> 01:00:15,620
[The boys] Yes.

973
01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:16,670
[Tommy Jackett] Feel nervous?

974
01:00:16,740 --> 01:00:17,400
[The boys] No. No.

975
01:00:17,450 --> 01:00:20,090
[Range instructor] Help him with his ears. Yeah,
he look kind of crazy right now.

976
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,760
You gotta, uh, pull them. Extend them.

977
01:00:23,790 --> 01:00:26,190
[Kevin Dixie] You don't have to be what the world
tells you that you're gonna be.

978
01:00:26,670 --> 01:00:30,580
I was supposed to be, by eighteen,
either in prison or dead.

979
01:00:30,930 --> 01:00:35,450
That's what the environment said.
And guns were a particular issue,

980
01:00:35,570 --> 01:00:38,260
because of the lack of knowledge and
information and education around them.

981
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:42,940
So, oddly enough,
the first time I got with a gun by myself,

982
01:00:43,030 --> 01:00:46,930
I was around thirteen years old.
And because of the different environmental factors,

983
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:50,920
and a lot of mental health issues
that were occurring at thirteen,

984
01:00:50,970 --> 01:00:53,850
which I didn't know about at the time—
we didn't talk a lot about mental health 32,

985
01:00:54,250 --> 01:00:58,000
33 years ago— first thing I wanted to do was
kill myself. So I tried to commit suicide

986
01:00:58,050 --> 01:01:01,390
the first time I picked up a gun
and was unmonitored by any adult.

987
01:01:01,630 --> 01:01:03,820
Just didn't know how to make the thing go off.
I didn't know what the safety was,

988
01:01:03,870 --> 01:01:07,640
and it was on. I couldn't get the trigger
to go back. And then two years later,

989
01:01:07,690 --> 01:01:12,000
I tried again with a lever-action gun,
and I didn't understand how to get the lever to

990
01:01:12,050 --> 01:01:15,820
cock fully to get the gun in action.
So after that, I realized that I was here for a

991
01:01:15,870 --> 01:01:19,750
purpose, and I was here for a reason.
And the gun was the one thing that threatened me

992
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:24,190
every day in my mind, that I thought was the way out,
that was threatening my life and

993
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:29,660
whatever God put me here to do.
So I decided to take the power of the gun and turn it

994
01:01:29,710 --> 01:01:30,710
for good.

995
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:35,390
[Tommy Jackett] These are pretty heavy conversations.
I've got young children myself,

996
01:01:35,620 --> 01:01:41,710
and I, um— like, I hear you talk about suicide,
and I've had some close friends commit

997
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:46,500
suicide, and I find myself trying to
shelter my kids from these things,

998
01:01:46,910 --> 01:01:50,190
these topics, and, like, you know,
talking in front of these young guys,

999
01:01:50,770 --> 01:01:55,780
is that— are you finding this a benefit,
them understanding the realities of this stuff,

1000
01:01:55,910 --> 01:01:57,990
versus sheltering them from it?

1001
01:01:58,250 --> 01:02:01,490
[Kevin Dixie] Absolutely, because they can hear me
talk about it, and if they respect me,

1002
01:02:01,540 --> 01:02:04,480
if I've built that kind of relationship,
they feel comfortable saying,

1003
01:02:04,990 --> 01:02:08,430
"This is a problem for me. I wanna talk about
it now," where I didn't have that outlet.

1004
01:02:08,510 --> 01:02:12,690
And I want them to know that they have
opportunities vastly beyond what I've ever done.

1005
01:02:12,950 --> 01:02:14,390
[Josh Janssen] What would you like to
do when you grow up?

1006
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:15,840
[A boy] Be a SWAT officer.

1007
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:17,080
[Tommy Jackett] A SWAT officer?

1008
01:02:18,020 --> 01:02:19,020
[Josh Janssen] Yeah. Nice.

1009
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:19,900
[Tommy Jackett] Awesome.

1010
01:02:19,870 --> 01:02:21,320
[Josh Janssen] What makes you want to be a SWAT officer?

1011
01:02:21,660 --> 01:02:25,240
[A boy] I want to save people's lives.

1012
01:02:25,460 --> 01:02:26,460
[Tommy Jackett] Yeah?

1013
01:02:26,530 --> 01:02:28,840
[Range instructor] All right, let's do it. Rack it.
Slide it. Let's get one in there.

1014
01:02:29,380 --> 01:02:30,380
All right, let's present.

1015
01:02:30,530 --> 01:02:33,480
[Kevin Dixie] Now present up.
Lean in at the waist. There you go.

1016
01:02:33,570 --> 01:02:39,400
[Range instructor] Safety's off. Two to the— two to the middle
stop sign and one to the top stop sign.

1017
01:02:39,610 --> 01:02:40,530
Do it at your pace.

1018
01:02:40,580 --> 01:02:47,680
[Kevin Dixie] Do it at your pace. Go. Take

1019
01:02:50,150 --> 01:02:51,180
your time.

1020
01:02:52,410 --> 01:02:54,790
[Tommy Jackett] When it fires,
what does it make you feel inside?

1021
01:02:55,980 --> 01:02:58,900
[A boy] The anger that I had before,
it calmed me down.

1022
01:02:59,570 --> 01:03:02,470
[Tommy Jackett] You were a bit angry?
What was making you angry?

1023
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,510
[A boy] Like, I ain't get enough sleep,
and I had woke up too early.

1024
01:03:06,500 --> 01:03:07,050
[Tommy Jackett] I get it.

1025
01:03:07,100 --> 01:03:08,210
[Josh Janssen] Can relate to that.

1026
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:11,190
[Tommy Jackett] Can relate to that. What gun should I use?

1027
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:16,190
[A boy] You use the one with the silencer.
Yeah. You use this one. Like the tan AR.

1028
01:03:16,540 --> 01:03:17,930
[Tommy Jackett] This one? The tan?

1029
01:03:17,980 --> 01:03:18,480
[A boy] Yes.

1030
01:03:18,300 --> 01:03:18,910
[Tommy Jackett] Can I grab it, Kevin?

1031
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:19,960
[Kevin Dixie] Yeah, give me one second.

1032
01:03:20,460 --> 01:03:23,930
[Tommy Jackett] It is a real sort of skill that you have to learn,
to not sort of get excited and just

1033
01:03:23,980 --> 01:03:25,170
grab one and put it in.

1034
01:03:25,220 --> 01:03:27,970
[Kevin Dixie] I want you to actually keep mind of this.
You know all these little .22 holes here?

1035
01:03:28,020 --> 01:03:28,520
[Tommy Jackett] Yeah.

1036
01:03:28,540 --> 01:03:30,550
[Kevin Dixie] I want you to pay attention to what
happens when this thing is shot.

1037
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,520
[Tommy Jackett] And let's go in three, two,
one. Okay? Three, two, one.

1038
01:03:40,570 --> 01:03:44,490
[Josh Janssen] When we started on this journey,
we wanted to remain as neutral as possible.

1039
01:03:46,420 --> 01:03:49,720
[Josh Janssen] There is enough polarising media that
we didn't want to add to the noise.

1040
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:51,640
[Tommy Jackett] This is what my kids do.

1041
01:03:53,250 --> 01:03:57,100
[Josh Janssen] But it's hard to not question whether America
can improve their relationship to guns.

1042
01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:58,780
[Josh Janssen] Have you had a Moon Pie before?

1043
01:03:58,940 --> 01:03:59,940
[Tommy Jackett] Never had a Moon Pie.

1044
01:04:00,850 --> 01:04:01,700
[Josh Janssen] We'll share one.

1045
01:04:01,750 --> 01:04:04,560
[Tommy Jackett] Share a Moon Pie.
You want to go the chocolate Moon Pie?

1046
01:04:04,860 --> 01:04:05,860
[Josh Janssen] Why not have both?

1047
01:04:06,310 --> 01:04:07,300
[Tommy Jackett] Good point.

1048
01:04:07,350 --> 01:04:09,820
[Blue] And it tastes—
the chocolate ones taste just like s'mores.

1049
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:10,610
[Josh Janssen] Oh, yeah.

1050
01:04:10,660 --> 01:04:13,640
[Tommy Jackett] Oh my God, I'm trying to work out
what that machine is right there.

1051
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:14,720
[Blue] It's for bullets.

1052
01:04:14,820 --> 01:04:15,490
[Tommy Jackett] For bullets?

1053
01:04:15,540 --> 01:04:16,650
[Blue] Ammos. Guns.

1054
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,070
[Josh Janssen] Boom, boom, boom.

1055
01:04:19,510 --> 01:04:21,720
[Blue] Start. You have to agree, of course.

1056
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:22,800
[Josh Janssen] Okay, great.

1057
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:27,410
[Blue] And then it asks you if you want your
shotgun rounds, your rifle rounds,

1058
01:04:27,460 --> 01:04:28,490
or your handgun rounds.

1059
01:04:28,700 --> 01:04:29,700
[Tommy Jackett] Do you have a gun?

1060
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:30,580
[Blue] I do have a gun.

1061
01:04:30,630 --> 01:04:31,400
[Tommy Jackett] Which one do you have?

1062
01:04:31,450 --> 01:04:32,190
[Blue] Handgun.

1063
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:33,830
[Tommy Jackett] So let's get you some handgun bullets.

1064
01:04:34,500 --> 01:04:35,500
[Josh Janssen] Add to cart.

1065
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:37,440
[Tommy Jackett] Check out.

1066
01:04:38,940 --> 01:04:41,580
[Blue] We had some of the Pell City policemen
come in and buy shotgun rounds.

1067
01:04:41,770 --> 01:04:42,270
[Tommy Jackett] Really?

1068
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,840
[Blue] They said the shotgun rounds in there are
cheaper than what they buy from the stores

1069
01:04:45,890 --> 01:04:46,480
that they buy from.

1070
01:04:46,530 --> 01:04:48,410
[Josh Janssen] Oh, amazing.
Have you ever been to Australia?

1071
01:04:49,270 --> 01:04:51,280
[Blue] No. My favorite band's from Australia.

1072
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:52,590
[Tommy Jackett] Who are they?

1073
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:53,460
[Blue] AC/DC.

1074
01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:55,140
[Tommy Jackett] Ah, yeah. Acca Dacca.

1075
01:04:56,030 --> 01:04:58,370
[Blue] All right. Nice to meet you guys.
Bye. Have fun.

1076
01:04:58,490 --> 01:04:59,480
[Josh Janssen] Thank you. Bye.

1077
01:04:59,530 --> 01:05:00,530
[Tommy Jackett] Thanks, Blue.

1078
01:05:01,150 --> 01:05:06,570
[Josh Janssen] Is there a future that can see Americans safer,
while honoring the freedom of gun owners

1079
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:11,690
and the Second Amendment? Outside of the
obvious conversations we hear about gun control,

1080
01:05:12,210 --> 01:05:15,300
what measures were actually
being taken to keep people safe?

1081
01:05:15,980 --> 01:05:21,880
A local entrepreneur in Alabama had invented
a solution to help kids be safe in classrooms.

1082
01:05:22,300 --> 01:05:26,800
[Kevin Thomas] The RASER is what we have in here. It's called—
that's an acronym for the Rapid Access

1083
01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:32,780
Safe Room. The concept makes sense.
We need to give them a safe place within their safe

1084
01:05:32,830 --> 01:05:37,020
place, right? We will pull it,
and it's just momentum.

1085
01:05:40,390 --> 01:05:45,770
[Kevin Thomas] Walk inside. Close the door.
When time's up, you put the key in,

1086
01:05:46,510 --> 01:05:48,900
and then you would unlock it,
and then you would open it back up.

1087
01:05:48,950 --> 01:05:55,590
But there's ballistics in this door as well.
This is US Embassy-grade level locking system

1088
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:56,210
and doors.

1089
01:05:56,260 --> 01:05:56,760
[Tommy Jackett] Oh my gosh.

1090
01:05:56,670 --> 01:06:00,700
[Kevin Thomas] I mean, this right here, you're not shooting
through this. You're not shooting through

1091
01:06:00,750 --> 01:06:01,750
this.

1092
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:04,950
[Tommy Jackett] Kevin, how many kids can
you fit in this room?

1093
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:10,650
[Kevin Thomas] In this classroom— it's an elementary classroom—
the government square footage requirements

1094
01:06:10,700 --> 01:06:16,180
is one square foot per child in an emergency situation,
and that covers most of the national

1095
01:06:16,230 --> 01:06:20,820
averages, which is 24 to 26 people per classroom.
If you look at that right there,

1096
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:26,120
by the door, there is a list of thirteen things
that you have to do in case of an active

1097
01:06:26,170 --> 01:06:32,940
shooter. I'm not gonna ask my six-year-old
grandson to engage anyone with a weapon.

1098
01:06:33,130 --> 01:06:38,010
[Kevin Thomas] So our goal is to give them an opportunity to
go home to dinner tonight with their family.

1099
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:42,530
[Tommy Jackett] I've got two children. I've got a seven-year-old
who's at primary school like this.

1100
01:06:43,660 --> 01:06:49,730
And I see this, and, like, I can't imagine
as a parent what it would feel like to have

1101
01:06:49,780 --> 01:06:52,260
to think about my son running into that.

1102
01:06:52,790 --> 01:06:53,290
[Kevin Thomas] Right.

1103
01:06:53,030 --> 01:06:55,510
[Tommy Jackett] What is that feeling like for you,
understanding—

1104
01:06:55,700 --> 01:06:59,020
[Kevin Thomas] Unless you're going to homeschool your children,
this is going to be the environment

1105
01:06:59,070 --> 01:07:02,280
that they're going to be in.
So we need to make it as safe as possible,

1106
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:07,790
and as friendly as possible.
I'm gonna find out why we have to have these things,

1107
01:07:08,100 --> 01:07:12,670
but I'm gonna figure out how we can reverse this trend.
This right here needs to be obsolete

1108
01:07:12,730 --> 01:07:18,350
in twenty years. The reason this
whole deal really started, Uvalde,

1109
01:07:18,410 --> 01:07:22,580
Texas happened, right? And I don't ever tell this story,
'cause I can't get through it.

1110
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:31,840
So there's this girl.
Her name is Miah Cerrillo,

1111
01:07:31,890 --> 01:07:35,050
and she was one of the survivors
in that classroom that day.

1112
01:07:35,690 --> 01:07:41,010
And she was the little girl that took the
blood from her friends and wiped it on herself,

1113
01:07:41,730 --> 01:07:53,200
and played dead on that floor. She,

1114
01:07:53,420 --> 01:07:57,950
uh, went through that experience.
They were interviewing her,

1115
01:07:58,890 --> 01:08:03,410
and her little sister comes running in and says,
"I found it." And they said,

1116
01:08:03,460 --> 01:08:09,110
"Found what?" And they said,
"I found what would have saved our friends." And when her

1117
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:14,020
little sister showed her that,
Miah looked at the reporter and says,

1118
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:17,790
"I will never go back to school
unless that is in my classroom.

1119
01:08:17,900 --> 01:08:25,400
That is the only thing that will save me.
That would have saved my friends." And it's

1120
01:08:25,460 --> 01:08:30,530
working, slowly but surely. I mean,
I didn't even know y'all were gonna be here today,

1121
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:36,550
and y'all are here now, and we're gonna make
another opportunity to get the word out,

1122
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:40,420
to do the right thing. Because I wanna spread
the message bigger than just protecting

1123
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:45,960
kids. I just would soon address the bigger problem,
so this does become less and less

1124
01:08:46,010 --> 01:08:48,750
used for nothing other
than a dry erase board.

1125
01:08:49,370 --> 01:08:50,370
[Josh Janssen] Really appreciate it.

1126
01:08:50,700 --> 01:08:51,200
[Kevin Thomas] Yep. It's fine.

1127
01:08:51,230 --> 01:08:52,230
[Tommy Jackett] Thanks, man.

1128
01:08:52,700 --> 01:08:53,700
[Kevin Thomas] Yep.

1129
01:08:54,860 --> 01:08:59,500
[Katherine Schweit] We're making progress.
We have 25 years of data now. In the last two years,

1130
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,860
the number of these types of shootings
has gone down two years in a row.

1131
01:09:03,890 --> 01:09:05,470
And that's the first time in 25 years.

1132
01:09:06,450 --> 01:09:09,890
[Tommy Jackett] I've got a seven-year-old and a
three-year-old, and my son, um,

1133
01:09:10,750 --> 01:09:14,670
the drill that he has to do would
be for a fire. That's about it.

1134
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:22,290
But in this country, there's the active shooter drill.
Is this something that is beneficial,

1135
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:26,000
or is it impacting the
children's psychology?

1136
01:09:27,140 --> 01:09:30,880
[Katherine Schweit] You know, I wrote a nice long book,
and the only opinion that I have in the book that

1137
01:09:30,930 --> 01:09:35,280
I say straight up, "This is my opinion,
it's not based on fact," is I don't think teachers

1138
01:09:35,500 --> 01:09:38,800
should carry guns. I think teachers
have a very important job to do,

1139
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:42,780
and that's not a job they should worry about.
But a gun in a school,

1140
01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:45,990
from a security standpoint,
should be based on a lot of factors.

1141
01:09:49,780 --> 01:09:53,520
[Josh Janssen] Who are the people in the middle?
Are there more Americans that are in the middle on

1142
01:09:53,570 --> 01:09:57,580
this, when it comes to guns,
or is there a clear divide?

1143
01:09:58,140 --> 01:10:03,570
[Tommy Jackett] And you have Kevin in Alabama
with the bulletproof whiteboards,

1144
01:10:04,230 --> 01:10:09,640
which really, these, as Kevin said,
were Band-Aid fixes to a problem.

1145
01:10:09,700 --> 01:10:15,520
And maybe this town is where the real
solution to the real problem happens.

1146
01:10:17,210 --> 01:10:20,220
[Katherine Schweit] When we first started doing active
shooter drills in the United States,

1147
01:10:20,380 --> 01:10:23,870
a lot of schools weren't doing
them the right way, so to speak,

1148
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:28,890
and they were traumatizing people and adults.
I think that now there's a recognition

1149
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:33,840
that even active shooter drills are really
safety drills. Whether it's a fire,

1150
01:10:33,970 --> 01:10:37,700
or a tornado, or a hurricane,
or an earthquake, or a shooter,

1151
01:10:38,060 --> 01:10:41,580
the five-year-old just needs to be
trained to be quiet, to listen,

1152
01:10:41,700 --> 01:10:46,350
to follow instructions. That's what the
training should be. That's safety training.

1153
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:55,060
[Dr Joseph Sakran] These bullets tearing tissue,
pulverizing bones, liquefying organs,

1154
01:10:55,180 --> 01:11:02,280
they're doing tremendous damage to
the human body. If you're in a boat,

1155
01:11:02,390 --> 01:11:08,010
do you know the wake that you see behind the boat?
There's that primary injury that happens

1156
01:11:08,060 --> 01:11:13,020
from, physically, the fragment,
but then there's this blast effect that happens.

1157
01:11:13,790 --> 01:11:20,360
The faster the boat goes, the larger the wake.
That wake, or that blast effect,

1158
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:26,710
causes destruction to tissue.
So imagine if you have a kid, right,

1159
01:11:27,510 --> 01:11:30,740
who has a small— right,
we know they have small abdominal cavities.

1160
01:11:31,510 --> 01:11:37,240
And they're shot in the abdomen with an
assault rifle. It pulverizes tissue.

1161
01:11:38,590 --> 01:11:46,100
I mean, it can blow off limbs,
but they're also causing trauma that persists

1162
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:47,630
for many years.

1163
01:11:48,290 --> 01:11:53,150
[Josh Janssen] There's two choices.
One is that there is a positive future ahead,

1164
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:58,730
one that has hope. Or there's the second choice,
which there is no hope.

1165
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:06,340
[Josh Janssen] I just don't know how productive it
is to assume that nothing can change.

1166
01:12:07,150 --> 01:12:12,330
[Autumn Bignami] I do struggle a lot with the choices
that are being made about our future,

1167
01:12:12,380 --> 01:12:15,670
and about what we're
continuing to allow to happen.

1168
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:20,720
[Tommy Jackett] Do you think Americans are
desensitized to gun violence?

1169
01:12:21,170 --> 01:12:24,170
[Young man in Washington] As soon as one bad thing happens,
the next thing happens. So you're just—

1170
01:12:24,220 --> 01:12:28,700
you don't know what to focus on next.
So it kind of just takes away—

1171
01:12:28,750 --> 01:12:32,410
there's so much bad going on that we never
really focus on anything for too long.

1172
01:12:32,940 --> 01:12:36,650
And it's very easy that the bigger
issues get swept under the rug.

1173
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:44,550
[Autumn Bignami] I do remain hopeful, and we have to be mature enough,
and respect each other enough,

1174
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:49,110
to know that there's going to be some really
intense differences that have to be able

1175
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:53,720
to be solved, in a way that doesn't
involve more violence or more chaos.

1176
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:07,740
[Josh Janssen] Unbelievable, dude.

1177
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:11,180
[Tommy Jackett] I'll see if I can ask the
police officer anything.

1178
01:13:13,500 --> 01:13:17,280
[Josh Janssen] We're an Australian documentary crew.
We're staying just there.

1179
01:13:17,750 --> 01:13:22,150
And so the fact that there's literally been
a shooting out the front of our place is

1180
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:23,950
pretty mind-blowing to us.

1181
01:13:24,890 --> 01:13:27,360
[Tommy Jackett] Any chance that we could get a
comment about what's happened here?

1182
01:13:27,570 --> 01:13:32,730
[Police officer] I can't give any— those kind of official
statements are way above my pay grade.

1183
01:13:35,980 --> 01:13:36,980
[Tommy Jackett] Did you hear it?

1184
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:43,190
[Neighbour] Yeah, I did. It's tough.
So it's tough for us, to living around here,

1185
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:45,810
but it's just almost fourth time now.

1186
01:13:46,420 --> 01:13:47,650
[Tommy Jackett] Fourth time in this street?

1187
01:13:47,700 --> 01:13:51,610
[Neighbour] This area. And up there,
up here, up there.

1188
01:13:52,340 --> 01:13:53,940
[Josh Janssen] Do you feel surprised by this?

1189
01:13:54,970 --> 01:13:56,820
[Neighbour] Yeah. We are not safe. That's how we feel.

1190
01:13:59,630 --> 01:14:04,810
[Josh Janssen] The more time you spend in the US,
the higher chance, I guess,

1191
01:14:04,940 --> 01:14:06,840
of that you are directly impacted.

1192
01:14:07,850 --> 01:14:08,350
[Tommy Jackett] Yeah.

1193
01:14:08,180 --> 01:14:09,870
[Josh Janssen] Or that it happens on your street.